Saturday, July 15, 2006

No apologist here..

So...if one would get the idea that "all those Israelis are wrong and are out to get all the Muslims" boohoo, boohoo... than, think again. The current dialogues, discussions, heated and civilized are centered around a major reaction (Israel's) to an action (Hamas' military wing's abduction). Which escalated. You know the story by now.
Well, the Arab world is not helping much as they never have when it came to the Palestinians. This is an exerpt from Mahmoud's Den:

So what’s new? You actually expected that the “summit” which was held today in Egypt to actually result in anything other than this? If you answered yes, then you have an awful lot to learn about us Arabs, and you will need a couple of lifetimes to catch-up. No. Nothing was expected of them.

1. They have never, ever, held a single position, not even in existential matters.
2. They will never, ever, hold a single position.
3. They wait for a few days to hold their “emergency” summit, while the whole world has already held their’s!
4. When they finally do meet, we get disperate position, views, and what’s left is simple posturing. What for, I have no faintly idea


Blogger The Heathlander said...


I agree with everything you wrote, except:

"The current dialogues, discussions, heated and civilized are centered around a major reaction (Israel's) to an action (Hamas' military wing's abduction)."

While it is factually correct to say that the Israeli offensive in Gaza was in response to the kidnapping of Shalit, I'm uneasy with the framing of the current situation as being sparked off by the abduction of Shalit.

Why was the 'escalation point' not, for example, June 24 when Israel kidnapped two Palestinians? Or June 20, when an IAF missile strike killed a three year old Palestinian girl?

6:52 PM  
Blogger KT said...

What a missed chance from the Arab world to help resolve the problems in that area and become a player on the world stage. Guess Mahmood is right. It's too much to ask for.

10:17 PM  
Blogger Ingrid said...

Heathlander, I don't disagree with you. I am actually suspicious of the fact that the action that led to the abduction was, as Chomsky calls it, the original "inciting event". Except, for whatever reason..the provoking acts leading to the 'reactions' of the Palestinians (for example the first Intifada), are never so much discussed in details in the mainstream media. As in, not criticized as they should be. The reason for the statement I made was really for reference sake because I was trying to make a point, even though I know full well that there have been plenty of unreported incidences.(in the mainstream media that is, if they'd report each Israeli action,someone be likely to cry foul and anti-semitism)
KT, coming from Mahmoud who's an intelligent and reasonable and pragmatic person (from having gone to his site since a few months)it is 'easier' to bring to the foreground..but the Arab world (by which I mean the ones in power) have plenty of complicity in this situation as a whole.

11:27 PM  
Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

Ingrid, chronologically speaking, you are correct in that the Hamas kidnapping preceded the Israeli response. However, most Palestinians would argue that the killings on the beach by Israel led to Hamas calling off its year long cease fire. The kidnapping was in reaction to the killings.

One could also argue that Hamas was reacting to being squeezed financially. One could also argue that Israel was preempting a shift in Hamas's position in recognizing Israel.

I think oddly both Likud and Hamas need each other to justify their extreme positions.

As always, the people who get screwed are the Palestinian people.

1:25 AM  
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4:11 AM  

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