tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post115540951196488250..comments2024-03-06T07:32:53.783-06:00Comments on Blogger Round table: A reminder of my history classIngridhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155611580377178242006-08-14T22:13:00.000-05:002006-08-14T22:13:00.000-05:00Tooners, are we from the same generation?? I can u...Tooners, are we from the same generation?? I can understand when you say you cannot imagine that writing to your Senator will do any good. Did you ever read the 50 things you can do or what ever it is called from the Moveon.org people? One of them is to write to someone in office even IF they are not from the party you voted for because they will still like to receive feedback. One person related their experience doing so and getting invited etc.. It's stepping out of your comfort zone or your 'zone' of expectation..I'll put my money where my mouth is and do that too.<BR/>I'll see who I write to re. the book on the holocaust of Rwanda and the Sudan.<BR/>Zazou! you are right. Some people will never have any interest in engaging them in something beyond their own lives or who are plain not interested, and then there are those who do. I mean, I have no family or friends in Israel or that region for that matter, but still, it touches me that I want there to be lasting peace and healing of past hurts..and I am not really a softy either. It just speaks to me as something that is important..hence, I read and read and read some more.<BR/>KT is a gentleman reader sans blog but an honest and sincere commenter. One to listen to when he comments, as he doesn't always do so but I know he reads things. An open mind yes, but..I hope that we can all have open minds to hear 'another side' of things.. I'd like to think that he's in good company here!<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155589609909190152006-08-14T16:06:00.000-05:002006-08-14T16:06:00.000-05:00Ingrid- good for you. Very nice post, btw- and goo...Ingrid- good for you. Very nice post, btw- and good for KT who is willing to try and inform him/herself.<BR/>I got this kind of attitude <B>plenty</B> (complete crap) while working at the news station- but, as Jefferson siad- dissent IS one of the most American of values in this country and it is NOT anti-American to expect both the country and its people to live up to their creed and higher selves.<BR/>That said, school is not where all learning takes place. If you bothered to learn to read (my fellow Americans)- you have no excuse- just because your school didn't teach you this or that, it doesn't mean you get an ignorance is bliss card- you have a responsibility to yourselves and your fellow whatevers to be an informed voter, if nothing else.<BR/>(more on this later, gotta run- keep up the good work!)zazouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09516234913848704691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155549888570637182006-08-14T05:04:00.000-05:002006-08-14T05:04:00.000-05:00interesting post here. i do believe that there ar...interesting post here. i do believe that there are a LOT of americans that believe you are anti-american if you say anything against the war, the president or anything bad about the country. i totally disagree w/ this, but... feel that it falls on deaf ears w/ many. <BR/><BR/>you say to write to your senator or such... hmmm... i sit and think about this and really wonder if it would make a bit of a difference. i tend to say NO!!! sadly enough.<BR/><BR/>i grew up in the 70s myself but didn't learn as much as you in history class!! yeah, american history but that was about it!Um Naiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079700156633283396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155502410788089482006-08-13T15:53:00.000-05:002006-08-13T15:53:00.000-05:00Betmo, welcome! I have noticed that theme from day...Betmo, welcome! I have noticed that theme from day one when I moved to the US. I guess it comes from not really having much exposure to other cultures around you like the Europeans are used to. Well, I'm sure there could be a few reasons. It doesn't really bother me unless I feel fatigued by the politics of the day.. I do think that there are a lot of people in this country who are independently minded and think for themselves. It does not seem though that there is a lot of public discussions going on or discussions amongst people for fear of 'disagreeing'. Sports and general stuff I think are the most talked about as people are afraid for supposed confrontations if someone disagrees. Not in Europe, you'll get a lot for speaking out especially if someone doesn't agree but no one will hate you for it. Or call you unpatriotic that's for sure.<BR/>Robbie, I'm working on answering you still in a bit. I was thinking about you yesterday as this show 30minutes (I think I've only seen it once before) had this guy Frank, a Cuban American minuteman stay with an illegal immigrant family with the resulting, sorta transformation of being closer to them and understanding. However, once back, he's still a minuteman but doesn't participate in border controls anymore..wondered if you'd seen it. See, anything 'san diego' and anything 'immigrant issue'..I think of you!<BR/>KT, you're an asset to this little blog with your questions and thank you for the kind words..you're welcome always asking anything always..<BR/>Keep the feedback and questions coming!<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155451185471938642006-08-13T01:39:00.000-05:002006-08-13T01:39:00.000-05:00No worries, Ingrid. I was in the middle of a littl...No worries, Ingrid. I was in the middle of a little "conference" with a Minuteman-type who didn't like some of my recent posts when I wrote that. I apologize to KT. I never read his comments and I'm not going to judge him.<BR/><BR/>I gotta run. Have to finish those WSOP screen caps for the second Tuesday show before I go to bed.El Mas Chingónhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149297079216397410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155440852931859472006-08-12T22:47:00.000-05:002006-08-12T22:47:00.000-05:00ingrid, honey, welcome to the world of- if you ain...ingrid, honey, welcome to the world of- if you ain't fer us- yer agin' us- mentality. i have had to face that accusation many times and you know what? i was born american and lived my whole life here. you don't have to explain yourself to these types of people- they won't listen anyway. i recently posted the quote by thomas jefferson- most definitely an american-"dissent is the highest form of patriotism." i am fighting for my country- against people who think it is ok to kill people who aren't americans. i am fighting for my country where these people are taking away the right of freedom of speech and other civil liberties. that may be anti american to some but it is 100% american to me. they will call you names- and it is their right currently to do so in a public domain- but you are doing nothing wrong. don't stop.billiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206096509976316141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155429072829467132006-08-12T19:31:00.000-05:002006-08-12T19:31:00.000-05:00Yohay, I agree a hundred percent with you. The abi...Yohay, I agree a hundred percent with you. The ability to look within is quite rare but a mature and necessary (and wise) one.. the ego is a bad place for politics but hey,what's new!<BR/>Jeremiah, I hate to tell you about Vietnam because coming from this liberal, you probably wouldn't believe me anyway!<BR/>Robbie, it is good to 'write hot' and 'read cold' and I think here, what KT was referring to is something he, as someone who doesn't put me down, has noticed for him! He saw a common theme and just asked about it. Of all people, I do not mind him bringing things up, check out the full extent of his comment in the 'courtesy of the US' post. He's quite a gentleman. Anyone else might have used the term as a put down, but not him. Like Jeremiah (except he's not like JB), you need to get to know him. He's an honest communicator and that's alright..<BR/>good to see you back Robster, I am working on an answer to your proposal btw..hopefully tomorrow buddy,<BR/>IngridIngridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543677729320023767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155427958251542382006-08-12T19:12:00.000-05:002006-08-12T19:12:00.000-05:00No need to apologize, Ingrid. I think it's only a ...No need to apologize, Ingrid. I think it's only a matter of time before someone calls me a "Commie Bastard" on my weblog, but that comes with the territory when you're a liberal.<BR/><BR/>Most people who say hateful things in the blogosphere can't comprehend the possibility that you can love your country and criticize it when it's doing something wrong. That's not anti-American. That's called showing compassion and standing up for your principles, two very American virtues.El Mas Chingónhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149297079216397410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155423344654766752006-08-12T17:55:00.000-05:002006-08-12T17:55:00.000-05:00I remember my history class...I threw a lot of spi...I remember my history class...I threw a lot of spitballs in thar I tell ya! I dont really remember anything we wuz taught, but I do know I was thar...<BR/><BR/>BTW, what was Vietnam? I keep hyarin librals say stuff like, "Iraq is another Vietnam"Fighting Chancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949107527452274185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22346965.post-1155423243159392002006-08-12T17:54:00.000-05:002006-08-12T17:54:00.000-05:00I always thought that the Dutch were very open min...I always thought that the Dutch were very open minded. I meet them abroad and I'm always impressed by their open mindness, kindness and the great number of languages that they speak. Well, except the many languages taught at school, I see that also history education is excellent. <BR/>Israeli history lessons stop shortly after the state of Israel was founded, in 1948. You get to learn about more recent history quite rarely. It's just to controversial. <BR/>For me, being critical of my government comes out of great care for my country. I want things that things will be done better, and thats why I speak up. Being critical and speaking up is a patriotic act for me.<BR/>I guess quite the same for you Ingrid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com